Sunday, June 18, 2006
Barry Bonds, a HOFer?
I know this isn't about the Yankees, but I'm going to post it anyway. I recently submitted an opinion post on ArmChairGM and this was the result:
With the BALCO scandal and his recent accusations with steroids, should Barry Bonds enter the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, or even in the Hall all together?
The BALCO and steroids thing is going to keep him from getting on in the first ballot, but his numbers are so ridiculous that he kind of has to get in eventually. The only way he doesn't get in is if the MLB bans him from baseball once they get some undeniable evidence that he used steroids.
posted by Bobbyjim45 on 2006-06-15 18:36:58 reply
The punishment for being convicted of taking steroids or testing positive for them is 50 games. There's no way he can be banned for it.
posted by Anonymous Fanatic on 2006-06-16 16:58:14
He is the greatest player we've ever seen play the game. He is a first ballot hall of famer and besides Babe Ruth (and maybe 2 or 3 others) he's the greatest player to ever play the game.
posted by Steaksammich on 2006-06-15 19:41:44 reply
Despite the cloud that follows him wherever he goes, Barry is definitely a HOF'er. There are too many variables and uncertainties surrounding "the steroid era" to actually begin barring players from the Hall of Fame. The best thing that can happen is a cleaning up of the game and a fresh start - the dawning of a new age in the game.However, Bonds is in.
posted by The shark on 2006-06-16 06:19:24 reply
I'll have to make it back to Cooperstown before Barry gets in since I would never honor him with my patronage.
posted by Angels Fan on 2006-06-16 07:20:34 reply
Pete Rose and joe jackson can't get in barry shouldn't be allowed when his time comes. Just image the explosion when this happens. I can't agree more Angels Fan, right on...
posted by JuTMSY4 on 2006-06-16 09:21:13 reply
Is it too early to call for an official lifetime ban for him from the ArmchairGM HOF?
posted by Chachi on 2006-06-16 09:21:46 reply
Would we put him in our own proposed HOF?
posted by Alex Holowczak on 2006-06-16 09:40:02 reply
He doesn't have my vote...
posted by JuTMSY4 on 2006-06-16 10:02:15 reply
he has my vote
posted by Anonymous Fanatic on 2006-06-16 10:09:06 reply
He's a HOFer, but quite possibly not first-ballot. Pete Rose and Joe Jackson are out of the hall because MLB had a VERY explicit policy SPECIFICALLY forbidding any type of gambling/manipulation. I mean every clubhouse has got veritable sign on the wall that says exactly that. That's why those two are not in the hall. Bonds is guilty of steroid use, something that was NOT against the explicit rules of baseball at the time of his use. I do understand that steroids are illegal under US laws, but last time I checked, those issues never stopped other players from getting in. Unless it's found out that he's on that shit THIS season, with the current rules...slim to none chance that he won't make it. And slim just left town.
posted by Ray on 2006-06-16 10:18:20 reply
So if the rule is ambiguous it doesn't count?! and did someone just give me a minus one because I believe BB doesn't belong in our HoF?!
posted by JuTMSY4 on 2006-06-16 11:06:17
No, he is not a Hall of Famer on the first ballot because if his steriod use. Should he be allowed in 1 day, yes. he was a HOFer without the juice. But b/c he used the juice, which is a federal criminal offense, he should not be allowed in on the first ballot.
posted by Christof on 2006-06-16 10:18:59 reply
This should not even be a question, he's in without a doubt, and unlike Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe we have no concrete proof against him. Innocent until proven guilty, this is supposed to be America people.
posted by Wrightsmyboy on 2006-06-16 10:42:59 reply
Its only a formality really. Once the court docs are released, my understanding is that bonds name is mentioned. Moreover, there is no proof that rose or jackson are guilty. Rose admitted it because he was forced to and jackson was just screwed over...
posted by JuTMSY4 on 2006-06-16 11:31:36
Maybe in a court of law, someone is innocent until proven guilty, but this is not a legal proceeding. The court of public opinion has no such rules, and the press who have been snubbed by Bonds for years are not likely to forget.
posted by Angels Fan on 2006-06-16 21:42:27
Didn't LT snort cocaine before games. Would that be considered a performance enhancer?
posted by Enybo on 2006-06-16 10:55:58 reply
Posted by Steve Kenul at 5:45 PM
Trollmeister posted at 8:39 AM
He probably had to take the drugs to keep awake through a game in the dullest sport in the world. Ever.
Trollmeister. Batting with a pinch-hitters .312 average (whatever!) and STILL GOING STRONG!